tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35324441.post4853636239399757499..comments2023-10-23T08:28:44.881-06:00Comments on Splinters of Silver: A Look at Young Church Drop OutsSplinters of Silverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02899357787697070658noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35324441.post-89288728723433688082007-08-09T12:40:00.000-06:002007-08-09T12:40:00.000-06:00leslie,I spent a lot of time in Grafenvere (sp?) t...leslie,<BR/><BR/>I spent a lot of time in Grafenvere (sp?) training, and picking up and delivering fuel. I also visited Mannhiem once, but I can’t remember exactly why. Also K-town sounds familiar, was that Kasinslaughter (sp?). Over 10 years ago is too long to remember.<BR/><BR/>-----<BR/><BR/>I see what you are saying now. Thanks for the insight.Splinters of Silverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02899357787697070658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35324441.post-38463811048403337872007-08-09T12:09:00.000-06:002007-08-09T12:09:00.000-06:00we were stationed at graff(not going to attempt to...we were stationed at graff(not going to attempt to spell it) i went to 2nd-4th grade at vilseck..in the early to mid-80s..<BR/>my dad was stationed at k-town in fall of 96..at which time i went too to do a year of university in mannheim... and then came back for a visit a summer.<BR/><BR/>-----<BR/><BR/>when i was thinking 'depart from' i guess i was thinking that you can't escape its effects. the deer panting for the water, knowing that only one well will satisfy. having that God-shaped void and recognizing it for what it is... whether you return, humbled, or return to it in anger and rebellion : you've returned.lesliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03212573673886825039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35324441.post-84787108355074961812007-08-08T19:47:00.000-06:002007-08-08T19:47:00.000-06:00I agree with you bdawg, and leslie you bring it a ...I agree with you bdawg, and leslie you bring it a valid point. There are those which claim, Proverbs 22:6, Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. But are all of the ones that leave saved? If not, is there a guarrentee they will return? All we can do is pray, minister, and be godly examples.<BR/><BR/>As for Germany: I was stationed in Vilseck from 93-98, and the church was in Nuremberg. Where was your dad located?<BR/><BR/>TimSplinters of Silverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02899357787697070658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35324441.post-38950407565323260722007-08-08T16:49:00.000-06:002007-08-08T16:49:00.000-06:00an aside: so where were you stationed in germany? ...an aside: so where were you stationed in germany? my dad was a civilian but were were stationed there with the army a couple of times.<BR/>....<BR/><BR/>i agree that it is good to show that the church has a value to our continued existence and is not just something we do or suffer. we are a family and all that entails...and one we choose to be a part of no less.<BR/><BR/>i agree that sometimes we paint a picture of home in blood and the despair of finding anything similar guilts one away rather than finding a place where they can grow just as well. <BR/>i think much of that can be blamed on teaching tradition, or focusing on a 'preacher savior', than on teaching bible--as you mentioned. God's word goes further in offering comfort and direction to those who leave home and move on with their own lives, their own faiths.<BR/><BR/>good post... interesting study... <BR/>i like that people return; they don't ever really depart from it, do they?<BR/><BR/>like you, i wish the time away didn't carry the weight that it tends to...especially when you think about it and realize you didn't learn anything new...you just feel it differently.lesliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03212573673886825039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35324441.post-40429966596329576262007-08-08T15:46:00.000-06:002007-08-08T15:46:00.000-06:00As a full time protestant, non-baptist youth minis...As a full time protestant, non-baptist youth minister for the past 13 years, this particular post strikes a chord. In my experience, the idea of youth ministry has changed over the last 10 years. Youth ministry has evolved into family ministry. The discipleship HAS to start with the parents. It is not my job to create a foundation for youth. That is the job of the parents. It is the churche's job then to reinforce the spiritual development they "should" be receiving at home, to water it, nurture it, and make it practicle for them. The only way to accomplish this is to minister to the PARENTS FIRST.<BR/><BR/>If they are not receiving it at home, where they spend most of their time, they will not respond the two-four hours a week that I interact with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35324441.post-90228048044019885622007-08-08T14:39:00.000-06:002007-08-08T14:39:00.000-06:00Notice this study seems to be based on church atte...Notice this study seems to be based on church attendance and not necessarily persons which have trusted in Christ for salvation. <BR/><BR/>It also does not conclude that these persons have left God to become agnostics or atheists, even though their actions may be similar as to one that does not believe.<BR/><BR/>Although they further state that 2/3 of those that drop out do return. Even though maybe not at a full-time level, per say.<BR/><BR/>The quote that you mention from my post is teaching by example, not necessarily by words or lectures. We can tell our children anything, and we especially like to promote, "do as I say, not as I do", but our example of how we act and react to circumstances (whether in religious or secular matters) is a valuable teaching tool to our children that are watching us.Splinters of Silverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02899357787697070658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35324441.post-52332171410929606802007-08-08T12:21:00.000-06:002007-08-08T12:21:00.000-06:00"A godly example from us parents and church member..."A godly example from us parents and church members would do a great deal of teaching them obedience to God, even in the face of the unknown or unfamiliar is what Christianity is all about."<BR/><BR/>Not sure if I would want to teach that to kids, Tim.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't want to indoctrinate kids in that manner. Teach them how to view the world rationally, challenge views with common sense and always demand evidence. That should be the stuff kids should be taught, not blind faith.<BR/><BR/>BeastBEAST FCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679628160308289045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35324441.post-25603932726169643552007-08-08T10:13:00.000-06:002007-08-08T10:13:00.000-06:00I actually regard the high religious drop-out rate...I actually regard the high religious drop-out rates with gladness.<BR/><BR/>Having been a Baptist once, I am glad that I got out of the fundamentalist hell with my sanity intact, and I certainly encourage Christians to use their rationale to evaluate religion and view it with a more skeptic outlook.<BR/><BR/>Great post, Tim. For once, I feel happy reading your post. More of these will certainly warm my heart.<BR/><BR/>Cheers<BR/>BeastBEAST FCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679628160308289045noreply@blogger.com