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Tuesday, January 13, 2009

Purity For Sale

A friend of mine sent me a link from the LA News, talking about triplets that work at McDonalds in Forth Worth.

To my dismay, on the side panel labeled Most Viewed News, there was an article entitled ‘Dad Sells Girl, Calls Cops to Complain He Wasn't Paid’ and another titled ‘22-Year-Old's Virginity Auction Bids Hit $3.7M’.

As a father, whether Christian or non, is there not something in everyone of us that desires to protect our daughters? Or, has this world become so entangled in self-gratification that we no longer care for anyone but ourselves? Apparently the father of a fourteen year old girl attempted to sell his daughter ‘for $16,000 and 100 cases of beer, along with several cases of meat and other items.’ Is that all his precious daughter’s purity is worth to him? May the God of Heaven never allow my senses to desensitize to such levels concerning my children.

From there we move to the girl who would sell her purity to the highest bidder. Has she no self respect or self merit, as concerning the value of her abstinence of fornication and the keeping of herself a virgin for the future husband worthy of her purity? Does her father find himself in prayer and weeping, as she looks to guidance in that ‘her sister was able to pay for her college education after prostituting herself for three weeks?’ How is one that wishes to fulfill their ‘advanced degree in family and marriage therapy’ able to offer their most blessed possession so frivolously to any man with the most money? May the Spirit move upon her heart, to have her see the folly of such a proposition.

Heavy upon my heart are these stories, having a daughter myself. What then were the things which led these people down these certain paths? Have they ever been told of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the blessed hope of the forgiveness of sins? Do these stories bother you? What are we doing about it, concerning our witness to our own children?

11 comments:

BEAST FCD said...

Daddy selling daughter is normal, according to the virtuous bible.

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. "
(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Beast FCD

Writer, Splinters of Silver.com said...

Beast,

According to Exodus 20, God spoke unto the Israelites, whom he had brought out of Egypt, and he gave unto them commandments. 'And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel...' So, when we get to chapter 21, where you are, we see God declare 'Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them.' The 'thou' is Moses and the 'them' are the Israelites taken out of Egypt. The problem is this man lives in California, and Marcelino de Jesus Martinez doesn't sound Jewish.

Tim

BEAST FCD said...

The bible didn't explicitly say that these verses are meant for the Jews; if that had been so the verses would begin with "when a Jew sells his daughter...." .

Clearly, its a misinterpretation on your part.

Beast FCD

BEAST FCD said...

And assuming this law is meant for Jews, are you saying that Jews are entitled to own slaves, and no one else?

This is puzzling.

Beast FCD

Writer, Splinters of Silver.com said...

Beast,

You tried to use a verse from Scripture to declare, 'Daddy selling daughter is normal, according to the virtuous bible.' Now you claim that even though your context begins with 'And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel...' it doesn't mean it was just meant for the Jews. Then you ask if only Jews are entitled to own slaves.

May I ask what is the point you are trying to make?

There is no misinterpretation on my part, for all I did was give you what Scripture says. It is you who is using a reference to the LORD speaking to the Israelites thousands of years ago, claiming it is normal. Normal? Funny, I haven't heard much about this in America.

Tim

BEAST FCD said...

Exactly. This is normal during ancient times.

What I am trying to impress upon you is that the bible cannot be today's moral code!

Guess there is some hope for you after all.

Beast FCD

Spanish Inquisitor said...

This is funny. Not what those fathers are doing,, which is deplorable, but your reaction to it. You are not concerned that a man is trying to make money by actually selling his child, and what that might do to her psyche, but rather that her "purity" might be violated. In other words, as usual, the good Christian is only concerned about the sexual aspect of the matter. The slavery aspect is apparently irrelevant.

Why are Christians so concerned about what happens under someone else's sheets? You're more concerned with whether her future husband will marry a virgin, than the devastating effect it might have on the girls.

And when you get right down to it, what is virginity? It's an artificial concept. It doesn't exist other than in the minds of, mainly, men. For a woman, it simply means that a penis has not been inserted in her vagina. Once one has been, she's no longer a virgin, no matter how momentarily the insertion was, no matter the intention of the parties. Pull the penis out and the girl hasn't changed - physically. (And please don't lecture me about hymens.) The only thing that's changed is what's in her mind, and his.

The whole concept of virginity is an archaic attempt for men to control their women, keep them as servants to their male masters. The only reason it's in the Bible is because the Bible was written by a patriarchal society, in which men ruled. Period.

Society is no longer patriarchal, especially in the US, so you need to get over your biblical obsession with sex. The girl's psychological well being is far more important, and more potentially devastated by these matters than is their "purity".

Writer, Splinters of Silver.com said...

Beast,

You take Scripture which is a law, if you will, to the Israelites which states:

'And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.' [KJV]

The verses themselves do not declare whether or not a man should sell his daughter (meaning the moral aspect of it), but what is to take place if he sells his daughter. Also, with that in mind, in the current headline the man and his daughter live in California and are under its laws which state it is illegal to do what he has tried to do.

Tim

Writer, Splinters of Silver.com said...

Spanish Inquistor,

Who said that I am 'not concerned that a man is trying to make money by actually selling his child, and what that might do to her psyche?' I don't believe I even remotely said as much. If I recall, I began that paragraph with, 'As a father, whether Christian or non, is there not something in everyone of us that desires to protect our daughters?'

So, at the very onset I share that whether one believes in God or not, it would seem to me that somewhere in every father would have them desire to protect their daughters. I did not mean to insinuate that purity was limited only to a woman's virginity, though this post may have been speaking more toward that thought since it covered two somewhat different headlines.

I personally believe and have seen as evidence the affects of which fornication, sexual abuse, and other robberies of the purity of girls have on their 'psyche'.

It is interesting that you would state, 'Society is no longer patriarchal, especially in the US, so you need to get over your biblical obsession with sex.' It is society which has become overwhelmingly obsessed with sex, mainly fornication and a lack of commitment toward a honorable marriage between a man and woman who give themselves totally to one another to the wellbeing of both themselves and their children, and ultimately a better society.

Tim

BEAST FCD said...

"You take Scripture which is a law, if you will, to the Israelites which states"

Remember that according to the OT, the ancient world is divided along tribal lines: Israelites vs the rest of them. Obviously it is for the Israelites, but where in the bible does it state that it doesn't apply today for Christians and Jews alike???

You said California law doesn't allow slavery. That's correct. My point is Christianity has got little to do with secular law, and you don't need the bible to learn how to behave.


"I personally believe and have seen as evidence the affects of which fornication, sexual abuse, and other robberies of the purity of girls have on their 'psyche'."

Any form of rape, virgins or otherwise, is abuse. If virgins are over 18 and they want to have sex, of course they have their rights. And the other thing: What is your definition of "psyche"? Paranormal?

Beast FCD

Writer, Splinters of Silver.com said...

Beast,

'where in the bible does it state that it doesn't apply today for Christians and Jews alike???'

Where in the Bible does it say it does? And even if it did, it still would not void out the question I posed: 'As a father, whether Christian or non, is there not something in everyone of us that desires to protect our daughters?'

'you don't need the bible to learn how to behave.'

Possibly, since parents are to teach their children how to behave. Although, Scripture does declare unto man the definition of sin according to Holy God.

'Any form of rape, virgins or otherwise, is abuse.'

Yes, to which I wrote, 'I did not mean to insinuate that purity was limited only to a woman's virginity.'

'What is your definition of "psyche"?'

The same definition I suppose Spanish Inquisitor is using.

Tim

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