Mixed Breed: Angels & Mankind (Gen. 6 alt view)

This was sent in from a good pastor friend of mine and although we disagree about angels here, I believe it is a very good read and he supports it with scripture. Most will most likely find themselves following this view varried over what I have written in my last post. I have added a few notes of my own in blue. Please enjoy.

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A reoccurring theme throughout the Old and New Testament is that believers are not to marry unbelievers. To do so would lead, in most cases, to corruption of godly morals and principles and there are examples of this in the Scriptures. King Solomon and his wives who lead him into idolatry. King Ahab and his marrying of Jezebel, In Malachi chapter 2; 10-16 the issue is addressed, In Ezra the daughters of the land were taken and were put away in repentance when the children of Israel returned to the Lord. Even some of the priest were considered corrupt because their blood lines were not pure (read Ezra Chapters 9-10) and of course, there is the passage you have chosen: Genesis 6 is another example of godly principles and values being lost through the marriage of believers and non- believers---that is why God said don't do it! (II Corinthians 6:14). The word Seth means appointed. Adam and Eve were given another seed (son) instead of Able whom Cain slew. Genesis 6:25. I think that does mean that Adam and Eve were given a son with a likeness of Abel. Personally, I think that was spiritually. Abel offered a more respectable sacrifice than Cain, Seth would have done like wise. Now, I know there is no biblical support for that other than Genesis 6:26 that after Seth bore Enos, then men began to call on the name of the Lord. I think call means to turn to or at least acknowledge. When the sons of God saw the daughters of men, I believe that it is referring to a godly race and the godly were corrupted by the ungodly. 1 rotten potatoe in a bag will make you think that all the potatoes are bad---the stink of one corrupts the rest. Same is true when Godly principles and values are compromised---America is a prime example of that. I do not believe the sons of God were angels, but if you do, you are in good company because I know many great people who think the same way---I just do not think it is right :-)

Yes, we can agree with the birth of Enos scripture declares men began to call on the name of the Lord, but I don't find scriptural support that all the lineage of Seth was godly and all the lineage of Cain was ungodly. Also, within the white pages, were Cain, Able, and Seth Adam and Eve's only male children? Although my friend does not agree about angels here, the fact that scripture clearly teaches against the saved and unsaved joining in marriage is undeniable.

You say that the case is weak against such a view, well, It is no more weak than the argument that these sons of God were angels, but the later seems to make far more sense. You asked: "And why would the joining of a saved person and a lost person produce giants and “mighty men which were of old, men of renown”? the word giants does not refer in this passage to men of great stature, it refers to men of status. I think that some of the worlds most deceptive men where of such; Hitler and Stalin were men of status and are renown, but there are others who are not so cruel and even fly under the banner of Jesus Christ, Benny Hinn, Jessie Duplantis and yes I will say it, Joel Olsteen. These are men of status who are deceiving and leading people away from the knowledge of God.

The view that I find weak is the thought that all the lineage of Seth was godly and all the lineage of Cain was ungodly.

As for God placing an enmity between Christ and Satan and causing men to sin and rebel, there is some truth to what you say. Because of sin, we are enemies of God. For those in Christ that enmity has been taken away (Romans 5). But, I think the Seed of Satan and the seed of the woman (the Messiah) go much further than just believer and unbeliever. Satan's seed is not just the unbeliever but also the Anti-Christ who is Satan incarnate. Christ (who is God incarnate) willl crush his head! He defeated Satan at the Cross through the resurrection from the dead and He will ultimately defeat him and cause Satan to be bruised under the feet of the saints of God---Romans 16:20.

What exactly are you suggesting here? What exaclty is meant by "the Anti-Christ who is Satan incarnate"? That he produces a seed, that he comes in the flesh, or will indwell (possess) an individual?

I can't follow your logic that it is God's fault that we sin and rebel against Him, but I can follow the fact that we won't we can't come to God. God must come to each of us and for those who are saved, God takes the initiative and the course of action. I think you would be hard pressed to make our sin and rebellion God's fault. You will have to twist a lot of Scripture to do that. It is this type of teaching that turns good people into hyper-Calvinist saying: it doesn't matter what I do, I do what I do because God made me this way and if God wants me to change He will change me. . . That puts no responsibility on the individual which violates much Scripture. I do not think the teachings on the Sovereignty of God were ever meant to be taken to such extremes. It was given to comfort the hearts and minds of God's people so they could learn to trust and worship Him no matter what! Not for a license to sin.

I did not clarify myself properly, it was supposed to be posed as a question and not as a fact that it is God's fault that we sin and rebel. We are sinners because Adam disobey God and has pasted that depravity down to all mankind, yet I still believe that the enmity (the punishment for sin as one put it) does cause us to run and rebel from God instead of causing us to run and cleave to God. I would never on purpose take the personaly responsibility of sin off of man and place it on God.

Just my take for what it is worth.

Thanks. Good stuff!

Mixed Breed: Angels & Mankind

The topic for today will most likely bring forth entertainment, interest, and criticism. There will be those which accept it, those which reject it, and those which may never have heard of it, but rest assured this is not an original thought. The idea of how far one may take the supernatural realm is above and beyond for some, yet easily discarded by others, but scripture is indeed filled with miracles and the unexplainable. One only needs to read it.

We have set before us in Genesis 6:1-4:
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

First off we see “when men began to multiply on the face of the earth”, so we can conclude that there were already women (therefore daughters) alive at this time. We may also take note that it says “men began to multiply”.

Secondly we have the mention of “the sons of God”. Take note that the men begat daughters, but it is the sons of God which are looking upon them and taking wives. Also, interestingly, the phrase “sons of God” is only found five (5) times in the KJV: Genesis 6:2; Genesis 6:4; Job 1:6; Job 2:1; Job 38:7. Every reference in the OT is connected to angelic beings, and it is not until the NT that we find it referring to born again mankind. The only other OT mention is “the son of God” which Nebuchadnezzar is speaking of Christ in the midst of the flames with the three Hebrew children in Daniel 3:25. I realize that this point is debateable, but I use the KJV.

It has been argued that “the sons of God” are the lineage of Seth and “the daughters of men” are the lineage of Cain. Many claim that the idea that angels can/did mingle with man is laughable, but the lineage of Seth and Cain claim is very much a weak biblical argument with no evidence of support whatsoever. For one, if that be the case, one would have to claim that the entire male lineage of Seth were saved; which I highly doubt for the fact that only Noah, his wife, and his three sons and their wives were saved through the flood. And why would the joining of a saved person and a lost person produce giants and “mighty men which were of old, men of renown”?

We have in Jude 1:6: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

We find it interesting that these angels kept not their first estate and are bound, yet there are those which indeed are free to roam and cause havoc as scripture records the casting out of such by Christ and others. Any guess would be speculation, but noticing in the context of Jude follows “Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh” in verse 7 and the mention of “filthy dreamers defile the flesh” and “dignities” in verse 8, an assumption that Genesis 6 and Jude 6 may actually have a connection deserves a look. Especially in the context of 1 Peter 3:18-20, with the mention of the “spirits in prison” “which sometime were disobedient” “in the days of Noah”.

Along the lines of the “spirits in prison” and “days of Noah” in 1 Peter 3:18-20, including what we have seen in Genesis 6 what led up to the flood, we also have Christ, Himself, telling us in Matthew 24:37, “as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”

If that were not enough, we have the dream of Daniel. In Daniel 2:41-44 we have the toes of the statue which have foretold every great world kingdom that shall be of man. Interestingly here in verses 41-43, before the last kingdom before the return of Christ in verse 44, we find these words:

whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Did you catch that? “they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men”. We are the clay, Genesis 2:7, could it not be that the angels are the iron?

As I close, I would like to leave you with one other point for you to consider, for by now I either have your interest or your mockery.

In Genesis 3:15, most, if not all, would agree we have the prophecy of Christ: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

We, mostly, agree that “her seed” is a reference to Christ, for Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit born of a virgin and is not of the seed of man (i.e. Adam). With that in mind, have you missed the two words before it?

“thy seed”. Who is thy here? None other than Satan. One may quickly wish to say, “But that means anyone that is not born again” and you might even quote John 8:44, “Ye are of your father the devil”.

Okay, now that you have taken that stand, consider this. If “thy seed” is all those which are unbelievers, which indeed we were all at one time, God said, “I will put enmity” “between thy seed and her seed”. Enmity means, “a feeling or condition of hostility; hatred; ill will; animosity; antagonism.” It must then be God’s fault that we are sinners and rebels toward a Holy God and virtually impossible to come to Him, for He Himself has put it in us to be “hostility; hatred; ill will; animosity; antagonism.” toward Him.

Ouch! Where does that leave you?

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UPDATE: 3/18/07

Let it be noted that the last paragraph was actually based as a question and not a statement. Although scripture clearly teaches enmity has been put there by God, it is not God's fault that we are sinners; for it was the sin of Adam which is the cause of sin brought to all of mankind. And if indeed "thy seed" refers to all unbelivers, how then shall they come of themselves which have within them such enmity of Christ?